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James Phelps: X-Axis does it equal infrastructure requirements? Is it
the amount of the architecture you use in the solution.

Discussion:

• Some of the comments are about the maturity of the practice of EA, while some are about the architectural maturity of the software systems
• Slightly different approach to the questions
  -This brainstorming of "Architectural Value" is harder than last week's brainstorming on "Business Value"
  -Is maturity in EA a dimension different than maturity in other models?
  -Maturity does not always equate with quality. Could have a mature but BAD process, maturity by itself could be useless
  -Hope that levels of maturity are connected in effective ways, EA maturity, technical maturity

-Jim: example is that Univ-Wisc is rolling out next generation of SOA infrastructure (new ESB, registry, etc.)
-that is an important step for the maturity of the architecture
-but applications go on top of that infrastructure
-such infrastructure is harder to explain than something more concrete to users
-need a good framework for communicating the value

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