CTAB Call Tuesday September 20, 2022


  • Jon Miner, University of Wisc - Madison (co-chair) 
  • Richard Frovarp,  North Dakota State
  • Rick Wagner, UCSD  
  • Chris Whalen, Research Data and Communication Technologies 
  • Eric Goodman, UCOP - InCommon TAC Representative to CTAB 
  • Tom Barton, Internet2, ex-officio 
  • Albert Wu, Internet2  
  • Emily Eisbruch, Internet2 
  • Andrew Scott, Internet2 


  • David Bantz, University of Alaska (chair)
  • Pål Axelsson, SUNET 
  • Sarah Borland, University of Nebraska  
  • Ercan Elibol, Florida Polytech Institute
  • Mike Grady, Liaison from CACTI to CTAB 
  • Meshna Koren, Elsevier 
  • Andy Morgan, Oregon State University 
  • Dave Robinson, Grinnell College in Iowa, InCommon Steering Rep, ex-officio
  • Jule Ziegler,  Leibniz Supercomputing Centre
  • Robert Zybeck, Portland Community College
  • Johnny Lasker, Internet2 
  • Kevin Morooney, Internet2
  • Ann West, Internet2


Working group updates

    • https://wiki.refeds.org/display/GROUPS/Community+Chat%3A+REFEDS+MFA+Profile+v1.1 
    • Concluded work, material is on wiki, and feedback is invited
    • There will be a chat on the profile on  Oct 6
    • This is not yet the formal consultation stage (final stage of accepting edits from the community)
    • It is a pause / sanity check to obtain more feedback before next steps 
    • There are some potentially controversial points
    • Question in the past two days: To what extent will issues around fishing motivate more focus on MFA?

    • talked about the Linking SSO subgroup

  • InCommon TAC
    • Talked about REFEDs MFA profile and why there has not been much feedback so far.
    • Also talked  about TechEx planning. 
    • Neils Van Dyke will come to an upcoming TAC meeting to discuss distributed  Identity.
    • InCommon TAC presentation on activities regarding Digital Wallet use/adoption coming up. Intention is to reschedule this.   

  • REFEDs Assurance Working Group  
    • Completed work on the criteria defining  IAP.
    • Now going over the work and getting ready for a rewrite into better prose. 
    • The REFEDs Assurance Framework will hopefully go to consultation before TechEx.
    • Criteria are comprehensive.
    • Extends Research Assurance Framework v1. 

  • Entity Categories Working Group:  no update  

  • SIRTFI   
  • SIRTFI Tabletop Exercise    
    • This effort is in Phase 1, communications test for organizations who will participate in the exercise in November

Baseline Expectations v2 update - where we stand at late September

  • Albert has reached out to all the commercial orgs on the non compliance w BEV2 list. 
  • Some issues with contacts being incorrect.  Hope to get updates.  
  • Albert has not yet reached out out to the Higher Ed orgs on the list.  At end of this week Albert will reach out to them
  • Some entities are not online, not visible on the internet,  thus not scannable
  • Implementation guidance says entities should be visible
  • https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/federation/meet-baseline-expectations
  • How to handle and clarify requirements? This could be a post BEv2 conversation 
  • Q: Is there a requirement for re validation of entities over time?
  • Albert: This is being discussed
  • Idea: Entity will only remain in metadata if it is attested as still valid
  • Concern: campus uses certs for WIFI auth. Every year you must re-accept the cert that comes through, this is an end user requirement. IT staff has to hope that users do this before classes
  • Suggestion to have an InCommon exec contact and another contact level too
  •     May look at this more closely in 2023
  • We will need to remove some commercial SPs. Starting in October, Albert will  start to notify campuses that may be impacted, asking them to contact their vendor. 

Recruiting for CTAB - what type of talents/skillsets/influences are we looking for in next years CTAB recruits? 

Next CTAB Call: Tuesday, Oct. 4

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