NTAC
3/3/09
In attendance: Brian Cashman, Matt Davy, Leo Donnelly, Dave Farmer, Dale Finkelson, Roger Hess, Carla Hunt, Michael Lambert, John Moore, Bill Owens, Dave Pokorney, Linda Roos, Jeff Schiller, Paul Schopis, John Streck, Steve Wallace, David Wood, Matt Zekauskas
Agenda
1. NTAC Updates (Paul Schopis)
Discussing and approving of documents establishing NTAC Vice Chair
2. Update from Internet2 (Chris Robb)
3. Update from AOAC (Paul Schopis)
4. Update on ARIN issues (Dale Finkelson)
Meeting Notes
1. NTAC Update
Paul mentioned that documents regarding the addition of a vice chair and the election of the vice chair were distributed. A vote was unanimous in support of creating the vice chair position and endorsing the documents.
2. Update from Internet2
Steven Wallace indicated that Internet2 staff are going to double the capacity for CPS in NY this week.
3. Update from AOAC
Paul presented an AOAC update that included the following topics:
• The AOAC has been considering a wave pilot program to allow 10G connectors and network members to request available waves on the Internet2 backbone. The AOAC held two calls in January to discuss the program with connectors and network members and the program was announced in early February. 15 requests from 7 connectors were received by the deadline to be included with the first review. A subcommittee of the AOAC will review the requests by mid-month.
• The AOAC heard an update from the DCN working group. The DCN working group presented the straw man proposal of a DCN service description at the recent Joint Techs.
• The SPEC has assigned a number of strategic plan tasks to the AOAC and the AOAC will be asked to review implementation plans for those tasks.
• George Loftus and Paul Schopis have been working with Internet2 staff to create a charter for a task force that will investigate offering commodity to the community.
4. Update on ARIN issues
Dale Finkelson led a discussion regarding the paper written by several in the community and sent to the NTAC by Dale. He mentioned that it is important to generate institutional buy-in to gradually but aggressively impact the implementation of IPv6. It appears that there is a lack of institutional buy-in for IPv6 and the paper was written to address this. The group was trying to bring this to people's attention using science and other topics as motivations for IPv6 adoption. They were trying to provide some guidelines for campuses to move to IPv6. They are asking that Internet2 staff and the Internet2 Board endorse a plan by the campuses to move to IPv6. If there is consensus among those in the NTAC, they will be asking that this request be communicated to the universities from Internet2.
Discussion ensued. Matt Davy mentioned that some ISPs may look at other solutions rather than IPv6 for address exhaustion. Steve Wallace agree, indicating that the carriers are looking at lists and nats as solutions.
Jeff Schiller mentioned that Cisco tells him that turning on IPv6 will destabilize his campus. He went on to say that there are several problems with IPv6: multi-homing, getting it committed to silicon so that equipment is enabled, no transition plan (v4 and v6 hosts don't interoperate well), v4 and v6 are incompatible on the wire.
Dale mentioned that the point of this document is to encourage the campuses to begin the conversations about how to make this work on campus and that might include conversations with vendors.
Exhaustion of IPv4 address space is seen as a serious problem by those attending NANOG although most of the rest of community is unaware of the seriousness of this.
Dale mentioned that the paper was trying to encourage conversations on IPv6 on the campuses. Dale asked if the only driver for making IPv6 a priority is that a researcher is unable to complete his work?
Ken Lindahl indicated that Stanford had to implement IPv6 routing overnight because of a demo with a Chinese researcher.
Jeff Schiller indicated that he has criticized IPv6 vociferously but also understands the need to implement it.
Internet2 could provide expertise to campuses in the form of FAQs, an experts group or best practices.
The issue was tabled until next month.