CTAB Call of January 9, 2024



  • Warren Anderson, LIGO

  • Pål Axelsson, SUNET

  • David Bantz, University of Alaska (chair) 

  • Tom Barton, Internet2, ex-officio
  • Richard Frovarp,  North Dakota State

  • Mike Grady, Unicon 

  • Scott Green, Eastern Washington University
  • Christopher Keith, Brown University

  • Kyle Lewis,  Research Data and Communication Technologies
  • Ryan McDaniel, Virginia Tech

  • Jon Miner, University of Wisc - Madison (co-chair)

  • Ann West, Internet2
Albert Wu, Internet2  
  • Johnny Lasker, Internet2

  • Emily Eisbruch, Independent, scribe 


  • Matt Eisenberg, NIAID
  • Ercan Elibol, Florida Polytechnic University
  • Rick Wagner, UCSD
  • Kevin Morooney, Internet2 


InCommon Futures Report (Ann)

    • In 2023, InCommon Steering put together a group to do futures planning
    • Changes will be needed across the community in the coming years
    • Motivated by many factors including changes prompted by COVID, changes to vendor offerings, etc. 
    • Some of the issues to consider include
      • Attribute release issues 
      • Access management
      • Expanding eduroam, where do we stand on that as a community
      • Increasing use of Azure
      • Vendor use vs open source
      • Infrastructure 
    • InCommon worked with Second Muse over past 6 months to look at trends and needs; the resulting draft report is now in review
    • InCommon Steering is pleased with the InCommon Futures draft report
    • Hoping to get feedback on the draft report from CTAB
    • Ann will send (after this call) the PDF report and a google doc to provide comments
    • InCommon will work with Second Muse to produce a final version 
    • Please provide comments on the draft report by end of day Thursday, Jan. 11
    • Office Hours are planned for this Friday, Jan. 12, for sharing across advisory groups
    • There will be work to do in supporting the outcomes from the InCommon Futures report. 

Brief recap of CTAB work process (Albert)

    • There will be a separate orientation for new committee members
    • CTAB focuses on policies and practices side of InCommon Federation
    • It’s an advisory committee chartered by InCommon Steering
    • CTAB provides a community voice
    • Baseline Expectations for Trust in Federation is key to CTAB’s work
    • To further trust and interoperability
    • At start of the year, a CTAB work plan is developed
    • Hope to continue looking at 6 month chunks for planned work, first half and second half of year
    • Work formats can be: subgroup of CTAB, OR spin up a formal committee/ working group (example is the SIRTFI working group), 
    • Subgroups or working groups provide reports of their work
    • CTAB makes adjustments for 2nd half of year
    • Starting in September, CTAB focuses more time on recruiting new CTAB members for the next year
    • CTAB terms are for 3 years
    • Major Internet2 conference for CTAB is: TechEx (usually September or December). In 2024, TechEx will be in December
    • David: CTAB tries to listen for and be responsive to needs in the research and education community.  What would enable more secure access and sharing of resources within research and education?
    • CTAB Charter http://doi.org/10.26869/TI.94.1

  • Proposed Subject Matter Experts for CTAB (David)
    • These individuals have expressed an interest:
      • Kenneth Gray (U of Michigan; interested in Identity Assurance)
      • Laura Paglione (SCG https://scgcollaborationgroup.com/ ; interested in Identity Assurance and Futures 2.0 work)

Committee Updates

    • CACTI (Richard)
      • Extensive discussion about the Next Generation Credentials Working Group report
        • Adding a cover letter and further clarification
        • To be used to drive next steps in the community
        • Finalizing the report for CACTI acceptance
      • Discussion around the browser changes
        • Google Chrome turning off 3rd party cookies
          • If a service doesn't work in Firefox, it likely won't work in Chrome / Edge when this is completed.
        • FedCM discussion

    • SIRTFI Exercise Planning Working Group 2024
      • Call for volunteers released; prepping kickoff in Feb 2024

Review 2023 CTAB Accomplishments Report Draft (David)

  • Highlights of CTAB work in 2023
    • SIRTFI Exercise Working Group
    • Response to NSF on new NIST 800-63 revision
    • Wrapping up / operationalizing Baseline Expectations for Trust in Federation
    •   Developed ongoing automated tests around Baseline Expectations, for example around TLS endpoints, including some self service tools for site admins, improvements around maintaining correct email contacts for InCommon Federation contacts
    • Working to define next steps, previously there has been strong emphasis on authentication, but a lot of value in federation is around roles and functions (different levels of authorizations/entitlements)

2024 CTAB Work Plan (David)

  • Please review and add to the 2024 CTAB  work plan
  • Mike Grady emailed  CTAB in November 2023 with some pain points  
    ("problem experiences" with SPs and InCommon metadata) that he sees
  • Mike will turn the info in that email into  a document

Next CTAB Call: Tuesday, January 23, 2024

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