CACTI notes of Tuesday, Oct 26.2021

Attending

 Members

  • Rob Carter, Duke, (Chair) 
  • Les LaCroix, Carleton College (Vice-Chair)
  • John Bradley, Independent
  • Margaret Cullen, Painless Security
  • Matthew Economou, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI
  • Michael Grady, Unicon
  • Barry Johnson, Clemson

Internet2 

  • Steve Zoppi
  • David Walker
  • Netta Caligari

Regrets

  • Kevin Hickey
  • Marina Krenz
  • Kevin Morooney
  • Chris Phillips
  • Nicole Roy
  • Ann West

Action Items

  • David will start maintaining the Action Items section as extractions from the notes.
  • David may look at  the organization of the notes on the wiki.
  • Rob will solicit questions from the group that would gather information from the community about where things are going over the next few years.

Discussion

Announcements and Updates

  • What's useful and what's not w/r/t meeting notes
    • David will start maintaining the Action Items section as extractions from the notes.
    • David may look at  the organization of the notes on the wiki.
      • Group by year
      • Make titles sortable by date
  • Recruitment/nomination update
    • Nominations close next Tuesday (11/2).
    • There haven't been any CACTI nominations, yet.
    • Rob has pinged a couple of people; he'll ping them again.
    • Netta would like decisions sometime in November so people can be onboarded, but she can be flexible.

Community Update

  • A topic of interest to CACTI from ACAMP 2021
    • We're seeing a lot of CAMP attendees using Azure as a backend for Shibboleth (or some other SAML IdP)
    • Shib/SAML/multilateral federation is still big, but other things (e.g., bilateral federation) are growing.
    • Other, non-federation features of Trusted Access Platform becoming more important.
  • Deriving a Vector From Here To The Future of Identity
    • Multilateral has not caught on with big commercial identity providers. We haven’t been able to get them interested.
      • We all have to do bilateral federation, anyway.
      • It’s not profitable.
      • What does this mean for InCommon?
    • Steve: Profitability probably can’t be achieved by vendors. The question is, what are institutions willing to pay for?
      • Institutions need both bilateral and multilateral federation.
    • How can we architect things so that multilateral and bilateral federation can coexist more effectively.
    • Rob: We need to think about what we want to achieve.
      • What is wrong with Okta that’s right with Shib? We should measure that.
        • This isn’t really the issue; Okta does what it does correctly.
        • What Okta’s customers are not getting (i.e., R&E/multilateral federation) is the issue.
    • How do we learn what people need?
      • Do we need to do a lot of data gathering, or can we talk to a select set of individuals?
      • Selecting those individuals would be a challenge.
    • Is Research the only thing that needs multilateral federation?
      • It’s really collaboration that needs it., but instruction often isn’t collaborative at large institutions.
      • Instruction may be a better target for smaller institutions and K-12.
    • InCommon income is no longer primarily from large institutions.
    • Rob will solicit questions from the group that would gather information from the community about where things are going over the next few years.


Next CACTI Meeting: Tuesday, November 9, 2021

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