Advance CAMP Wrap-Up Session
led by Tom Barton, University of Chicago
Comments about the ACAMP Breakouts
Tom Barton, U. Chicago:
-There were a lot of good breakout sessions during this ACAMP.
- What were some takeaways?
Rob Carter, Duke and Keith Hazelton, U. Wisconsin-Madison:
- pleased that campuses (Notre Dame, Clemson, and possibly others) will share their provisioning and integration use cases
- this will advance the CIFER project's P&I work
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Fri+10.00am+Freedom+Room
Chris Phillips, CANARIE
- it is valuable to get a diverse opinions from community members
- notable: directory options enhancements has legs
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Thurs+2.15pm+Salon6
- in attribute authority work, these is interest to see formalization of how SP's are classified
Tom Barton, U. Chicago
- commitment by InCommon Federation to produce a service catalog
- we need to make it easier for people to find out how to leverage InCommon
Mark Scheible, MCNC
- got valuable input on how to extend InCommon Federation down to K12
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Thurs+3.30pm+Salon4+-+Developing+Federation+Model+Options
- how the regional state network providers could assist
- what kind of models could be used
- there is not one answer, but got a good start on how to look at the model
- regional networks could extend the models to community colleges and to community anchor institutions
Kara Shirdon, Oracle:
- relatively new to HE
- this was a good chance to get community feedback
- hope to do better job of communicating with HE
- and get more feedback from HE into the development process
Scott Cantor, OSU
- the breakout on "Use of attribute options in LDAP to express 'metadata' about directory attributes" made forward progress
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Thurs+2.15pm+Salon6
- the plan is to look at use cases for attribute options and standardize
- need to map the use cases to the structures and protocols were are using
- there are probably other use cases we have not explored
- may not all be federated use case, however this issue will hit federations
- interfederation will bring that to the picture
- Scott plans to document the issue and get it greater visibility
John Krienke, Internet2
- Business and finance questions from the campus perspective were discussed in several sessions
- questions around "how do I take the temperature, on IdM federated ID, assurance?"
- how best to explain to the stakeholders the reasons and financial justification to move forward on these issues?
- how do I talk to the vice provost and CIO about the resources I need?
- InCommon has universities who have successfully made that case
- so perhaps InCommon Steering can look at best ways to play a brokering role
- to help CIOs share the story on how to advocate most effectively
Nicole Harris, JISC:
- the session on "Talking to Corporate SPs" looked at how to be smarter at sharing knowledge
- we can be more successful working together
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Fri+10.00am+Salon6+-+Talking+to+Corporate+Service+Provider
Chris Hyzer, University of Pennsylvania:
- made progress on looking at a standard API for authorization
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Thurs+3.30pm+Salon5
- hope to use that momentum to develop a standard API
- people are now more interested in using a standard API compared to last time when this effort was undertaken but not completed
- and more aligned on what we want it to look like
Dedre Chamberlin, UCSF:
- got a lot out of the FMM sessions and today's ACAMP breakout on Office 365
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Fri+8.45am+Salon3
- especially interested in how to use Net+ to better leverage vendors
- how to liaison between middleware and identity management and SP community
- there must be a formal intake process for the Net+ vendors
- what info can we arm the Net+ staff with to increase effectiveness in stressing middleware requirements when negotiating contracts?
Steven Carmody, Brown:
- Great to see how ACAMP engagement and participation level has increased dramatically
- this ACAMP was 3 times larger and level of engagement is higher than seen before
- no longer a small core of people driving the discussion
Suggestions for ACAMP Moving Forward
Unconference Format:
- for agenda creation, have people announce their proposed sessions before the step of placing a session on an agenda timeslot
- then there is less of a cluster around the wall
- and people might be more willing to throw out session ideas
- the group votes on the sessions they want (by putting a mark on the sticky for the sessions they like)
- not all session proposals necessarily get scheduled
- StevenC: at other gatherings, a lot more merging and splitting than I saw happen this time
- maybe use smaller sticky notes for the proposed sessions
-Keith: thought the level of merging and splitting was OK
- the pitching of sessions ahead of time on the ACAMP mailing list may have had influence on the posting of ideas
- Scotty Logan, Stanford: suggestion to do agenda creation each morning
- longer wrap up at end of each day
- have time to think overnight
- only schedule one day at a time
Appending ACAMP to Another Meeting
Q: Going forward, should ACAMP be appended to an Internet2 member meeting or is better when it is a stand alone event?
Note: there were about 65 people in the room for the "votes" (shows of hands) reported below.
Options:
1. short ACAMP but tacked onto another meeting -- 30 people prefer
2. standalone ACAMP - 11 people prefer
- suggestion to have an overlap with an Internet2 member meeting if possible
- where ACAMP starts on Wed. instead of on Thursday
- For those who attended Fall Member Meeting and then ACAMP, this was a long week
- How many ACAMP attendees were not at FMM?
- 21 raised their hands
- 4 people came to the Internet2 FMM specifically because of ACAMP
- 11 people prefer it if ACAMP were a longer standalone
- 12 people would most likely not attend ACAMP if it was tacked onto something other than an Internet2 member meeting
Other meetings to potentially attach ACAMP to?
- Jasig, Kuali, REFEDs, Internet Identity Workshop (IIW)
Michael Gettes, CMU:
- REFEDs or EMC2 along with ACAMP
- could lead to interesting cross pollination
Focus of ACAMP Topics
Ken Klingenstein, Internet2
- this camp was about identity and access management
- should we also emphasize topics like enterprise services bus?
- should we continue keeping the focus on IdM versus focusing on a broader of middleware?
Paul Caskey, University of Texas:
-Breakout session on CI and IAM looked at the tools that exist and how to do research on metadata
https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPScribe2012/Thurs+2.15pm+Salon4+Research+CyberInfrastructure+and+IAM
this topic is both inside and outside of the IdM space
Keith: event driven message ESB is coming up under the P&I umbrella
- the hybrid is good
- use a broad definition of IAM
Q: if there had been an ESB session, would people have attended?
A: yes
Workflow and security are also good topics for potential future focus
Q: How many people in room are the IT architects or fill that role in your institution?
A: 15 people
The Advance CAMP Program Committee will be in touch with an email link to an evaluation and links to the ACAMP Scribing notes.
Thank you to all who participated in 2012 ACAMP.