CACTI Public Meeting Notes from 1-Oct-2019

CACTI Call of Tuesday, Oct 1, 2019

Attending

 Members

• Chris Phillips, CANARIE (chair) 
• Warren Anderson, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee /LIGO 
• Tom Barton, University of Chicago   
• Nathan Dors, U Washington  
• Jill Gemmill, Clemson  
• Karen Herrington, Virginia Tech 
• Todd Higgins, Franklin & Marshall College  
• Christos Kanellopoulos, GEANT  
• Les LaCroix, Carleton College 
• Matthew Economou, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI 

Internet2 

• Kevin Morooney  
• Jessica Coltrin 
• Emily Eisbruch  

Regrets

• Marina Adomeit, GEANT
• Rob Carter, Duke  
• Tom Jordan, University of Wisc - Madison   regrets
• Ann West   
• Steve Zoppi   
• Nick Roy  

Discussion

Pre-Read Materials

• Informational only, not mandatory pre-read: Shibboleth consortium analysis of sameSite issue (Phil Smart)
  

 Community Engagement Activities in NET+

• Kevin has been VP of NET+ for about one year, this is in addition to his Trust and Identity portfolio
  
• There has been no equivalent to CACTI in NET+, and there has been a need for such an architectural oversight body,
  
• So these two have been spun up recently: 
  • BPLAC - Business Procurement Legal Advisory Committee   was spun up about 1 month ago  https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=154765376
    
  • CSTAAC -  Cloud Services Technology Architecture Advisory Committee - modeled after CACTI is starting up soon https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=154766601
    
    • Good number of people have expressed an interest in response to call for nominations
      
    • JillG is involved 
      
    • First F2F will be at TechEx
      
    • CACTI and CSTAAC will likely want to meet together at some point in 2020

InCommon Steering at 2019 Tech Ex

• Steering might have a F2F meeting at TechEx, Dean and Kevin are working on that. 
  
• Might ask ChrisP to join for 15 minutes
  

Nick and Steve at OIDF Workshop/Internet Identity Workshop

• Put topics you want them to explore at either venue in this gdoc, along with your name
  
• OPENID foundation sent note thanking Apple for making adaptations to single sign on 
  

eduGAIN Baseline call Sep 30, 2019

• In June 2019 edugain steering and REFEDs started to take steps to progress in the area of Baseline Expectations
• The Sept 30 call was well attended

• https://wiki.refeds.org/display/ASS/Baseline+Expectations 
  
• Notes: https://wiki.refeds.org/display/ASS/2019-09-30+Baseline+Expectation+Meeting
  
• 39 participants from all over the world
  
• 5 federations  outside InCommon reported doing some baseline expectations activities
• Discussion around what to advocate for at eduGAIN-*
  
• To get full value, need international scope
  
• Need more clarity on who owns the effort moving forward, edugain or REFEDs
  
• Is there one thing CACTI would want to push along? 
  
• Warren: Up to date contact lists is a priority
  
• LIGO looks at what InCommon BE has done so far as a starting point
  
• MatthewE: works with federations outside of Europe and N America
  
• BE is  important for discovery to work
  
• SIRTFI is important
  
• Who should be involved in this effort moving forward?
  • Representation from InCommon CTAB  is important
    
  • TomB will reach out to FIM4R about this international BE work
    
  • SP Operators, SPOG from REFEDs should be represented https://wiki.refeds.org/display/GROUPS/SPOG
    
• Concern: in bringing new entities into federation, could Baseline Expectations standards be a barrier to entry?
  • Suggestion to use a graduated scale for adoption of Baseline
    

2020 CACTI Membership Process 

• CACTI Charter  http://doi.org/10.26869/TI.4.1
  
• RobC is re-nominating for another term awaiting feedback from Todd and TomB.
  
• What role(s) do the open slots represent that we need to fill? Are there other underrepresented areas on CACTI that we need to target?
  
• See Term ending info on the CACTI wiki : 
  
• https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/x/qZGTBg
  
• Jessica plans to update the InCommon website with info on when CACTI member terms end
  
• Kevin reached out to FIM4R leadership to recruit for CACTI membership (after the CACTI call)
  
• Warren suggests to recruit more commercial or other 3rd party SP members to join  CACTI
  
• Librarians also would have a relevant perspective
  
  
  

Continue prioritizing CACTI FIM4R recommendations 

• Some CACTI members participated in an exercise ChrisP had suggested via email.
• Walking in the shoes of a service provider trying to find info on the website about how to integrated correctly with federation.
• Feedback on  journey in the shoes of a Service Provider:
  • Tried several browsers , searched “Join InCommon”, came up with right link  in Chrome, came up with wrong link in Microsoft Edge
    
  • “Attribute” is not the 1st term that SPs think about
    
  • Typically at VA Tech:
    
    • Somebody in a department has an application they want to use,
      
    •  they think about needing to get it working with sign in, 
      
    • then they connect w central IT. 
      
    • Then discussion on integration and attributes starts.
      
• Discoverability becomes an issue
  
• Getting people over initial barriers to understanding is important, then the InCommon Trusted Access Platform resources work well  

• terminology/nomenclature  around attributes, service providers can be a barrier
  
• Matthew: still struggle with  what to search for, still struggling w OIDC terminology , do search engine optimization, 
  
• The word “access” may be good to use more often
  
• It is a struggle to find the right material on the web
  
• InCommon  just redid its website  https://incommon.org/ to make info more discoverable, but even so there are challenges.
  

Tech Ex 2019 not discussed on this call, save for next call

• Putting more meat on the bones of the OPEN CACTI meeting abstract for TechEx, Tues Dec 10, 2019,  12:10PM - 1:40PM
  

• https://meetings.internet2.edu/2019-technology-exchange/detail/10005623/
  

Next Call: Tuesday, October 15, 2019