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Slides used for this Assurance Call are here.
Attending:
Ann West, Internet2
Steve Devoti, UW-Madison/AAC Chair
David Walker, Internet2
Mark Jones, UT Houston
Eric Goodman, UCOP
Benn Oshrin, Spherical Cow Consulting
Randy Miotke, Colorado State University
Susn Neitsch, Texas A&M University
Tom Golson, Texas A&M University
Jeff CapehardtCapehart, University of Florida
Discussion
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Today's call will focus on InCommon Assurance and US Government Discussions Slides used for this Assurance Call are here.
Topics:
- Update on the FICAM Program
- Implications on the InCommon Assurance Program
- Next Steps for the Assurance Advisory Committee (AAC)
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FICAM was based on NIST 800-63.
Currently there are 3 FICAM Approved Trust Framework Providers:
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FICAM 1.0 spec and related documents focused on identity provider and credential practices.
Since With the approval of FICAM 2.0, there are changes. FICAM 2.0 also encompasses:
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Much progress in the discussions with FICAM. See slide 6 for details.
componentized servicesComponentized Services
An important topic is componentized services (see slide 7 and 8 for details )
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GSA (home agency for FICAM) has joined InCommon, GSA will likely be the focal point for other agencies.
Community Profiles
See Slide 10
- In addition to the FICAM-based Bronze and Silver profiles, there are community needs, such as for an MFA profile.
- Also need to replace the POP approach of "Post your Practices" and have baseline practices
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- The AAC is working to revise its charter to do more than manage the assurance process for certification. This does not expand a lot the AACs charge. But it is broader than managing a process.
- The AAC is looking at what needs to be modified to increase trust within the federation. The goal is to get people on the road to higher trust and higher assurance.
- We have received feedback (from our SP partners) on the lack of usefulness of the POP and the lack of compliance. Some InCommon participants are not updating their POPs.
- We have talked about decomposing the assurance profiles into trust marks to drive incremental progress within the federation.
- There is work at GA Tech on Trust Marks https://trustmark.gtri.gatech.edu/the-pilot/
Q&A
EricG asks, there is Vectors of Trust group.
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg13215.html
The The UC system is are is taking a similar approach in standards, for incremental progress short of silver.Is Is there a sense of what the scope of the trustmarks (being discussed by the AAC_ ) might be? Wants to do things that would map to trustmarks. Are there specific targets that would be useful for us to use?
SteveD: The AAC's work on this is at the beginning. The AAC has not yet taken our InCommon assurance profiles and deomposed decomposed them into trust marks yet.
The GA Tech GTRI group has looked at breaking 800-63 into trustmarks.
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For a community MFA profile, there are decisions on how granular to be. There are apps that want MFA. Some campuses have MFA and some don't. Under what circumstances would the SP application trust that MFA had been done by the campus, versus the app requiring its own MFA. Don? We don't want want to have campus MFA plus ALSO application MFA.
It was noted that with a light/simple definition of MFA trustmark (MFA? Y or N), there are concerns. Example: an SP that remembers you the user for 30 days (, with no forced reauthentication)re-authentication. There would be a need to disallow that kind of practice.
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