Next Negurus Meeting NANOG will provide to NetGurus, a room to be set in closed Board style conference seating to support 20-30 R&E Operators on Sunday, February 9, 2014 before NANOG 60 begins. We will have a projector and screen available if needed by participants. The actual room assignment will not be known for a few more weeks. When established, we will share the room location/information. Location | Atlanta, GA
| Room
| International F
| Meeting Date
| February 9, 2014
| Meeting Time
| 11:00am - 5:30pm
| Conference Dates | February 10-12, 2013 |
Hotel The NANOG Room Block at the Westin PeachTree will accommodate the early arrival of NetGurus. They will find hotel reservation information on the web. Tentative Agenda Time | Activity
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11:00am
| Gurus start | 12:15pm
| Break for group lunch | 1:30pm
| Guruing continues | 5:30pm
| Adjourn
| 6:00pm
| NANOGers and Education Students Reception* |
* NOTE: Reception included for those registered for NANOG 60. Attendance Contact Jeffry Handal (jhandal@lsu.edu) to RSVP and for topics you wish to discuss during the meeting. Attendance limit is 25. Name | Email
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Michael Sinatra
| ms@es.net | Jeffry Handal
| jhandal@lsu.edu
| Chris Spears
| cspears@internet2.edu
| Rich Cropp
| rac111@psu.edu
| Brian Parker
| bparker@clemson.edu | Chris Konger
| ckonger@clemson.edu | Joe Rogers
| joe@usf.edu
| Ted Netterfield | ted@usf.edu | Jose Dominguez
| jad@uoregon.edu | Andrew Lee
| leea@grnoc.iu.edu | Hans Addleman | addlema@grnoc.iu.edu | Brian Jones
| bjones@vt.edu | Eric Oosting
| eoosting@netuf.net
| Celeste Anderson
| celestea@usc.edu | Jeff Bartig
| jeffb@doit.wisc.edu | | |
Discussion Topics and Notes - Perfsonar and SRX firewalls** Recommended placement: inside and outside network; AL2S network.
- Bandwidth test: sets up blocks; shuffles bits on memory to NIC; there is no hard drive; almost line rate. Can overrun buffers on routers/firewall.
- Check out perfclub.org. Group open to all.
- New patches/upgrades coming for perfsonar.
- Recommended boxes for using perfsonar: qbox, nerada, udroids, beagle.
- Uses of perfsonar:
- Before/after snapshots of performance
- Data can be used by researchers
- Jason and Ely working on workshop to help users understand perfsonar. Feel free to provide feedback. Contact Celeste.
- Web10g coming. People need to comment.
- Lots of Asia pacific members use perfsonar.
- They do not know the community function and they have it closed. Celeste can hook you up.
- They create tools that allow cool stuff. Example: create network map from perfsonar connections.
**LSU using v6sonar used for a sensor network for testing ipv4/ipv6 performance.
- Creating a telepresence friendly campus.
- Use an SBC
- Application based firewall for video and voice
- It will help identify packet loss.
- Only telepresence sent through it.
- Recommend using SIP line from provider and a vlan on the internet as backup.
- Check out bluejeans from NET+.
- Examples from campuses:
- Set QoS and do not place behind campus FW.
- Allow 1723 in from anywhere so people can dial in/out.
- Cisco VCS express: inside and outside firewall only applies to tanderg (only video not voice).
- IPv6 measurement sharing
- Deepfield project to replace portal.internet2.edu.
- I2 issues with measurement:
- v6 flows are behind - have to mirror traffic, juniper gear having issues (netflow v9 not available with certain hardware).
- Atlas project may have some statistics that you can reference.
- Farmer offers to community colleges the following option:
- v6 free and v4 has a cost. Ipv6 adoption great!
- Keeps costs down because he peer with HE for free.
- Similar model Chinese colleges follow.
- Security:
- Tools not keeping up.
- Traffic is there whether you deploy or not.
- Issues:
- Monitor both: v4 and v6 to find problems.
- Recommend nagios/mrtg/cacti.
- Monitor health of session for bgp.
- Peering issues still exist.
- Multicast: test sources, future of ipv4 multicast
- Negative:
- Pacific wave: multicast not allowed; only p2p; little requests for ipv6 multicast.
- Most campuses do not worry about it.
- Positive:
- Replication of wireless config with ipv4 multicast; next version may work for ipv6. (Cisco controller)
- People using it, NOC getting more complaints on ipv4 multicast more in one month than in the last 1.5 years.
- Netcast for on campus only. They would like digital signage.
- Voip phones have a paging service over multicast.
- Issues:
- iptv with multicast: leaves are an issue; continues streaming and consuming bandwidth.
- Cisco 3750 with ttl 0 problems arise from flooding.
- Private industry out pacing us. Example: multicast LTE; financial center. Education missing content to offer.
- Engaging with researchers **
**- Begin discussions with researchers. Invite them to technical meetings.
- HPC tends to lead it. Hard part is people leave by the time the grant comes along. Always find a representative. People interested by what they will do is different.
- Recommend nanog/geni/I2 provide research forum. Researchers need feedback. Allow publications.
- Research issues topic of interest: interdomain routing for openflow.
- Long Range Ethernet alternatives
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**- phybridge: does poe and Ethernet. Cas provided an example: ip phones work just fine.
- 2900 module for 4g celular: instead of using as a backup, use as main connection. Check for data plan; they may be cheaper than renting dark fiber.
- Consider bidirectional transceivers: 10,20, 30 km flavors. 1gig only. (Allied Teleson makes them.)
- Replacement of cacti graphs for a dynamic solution **
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- Backbone upgrade plans (e.g. speeds, multi-vendor) **
** - Data Center Interconnects (e.g. HA, L2 or L3)
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** - Future venue for Netgurus
Lunch Options Meehan's Public House (Properly poured pint and bar food) <--- Selected by the group
Rays in the City (Seafood)
Sweet Georgia's Juke Joint (Southern Food) |