CTAB Call Tuesday May 16, 2023

Attending

• Warren Anderson, LIGO
• Pål Axelsson, SUNET
• David Bantz, University of Alaska (chair)
• Tom Barton, Internet2, ex-officio 
• Ercan Elibol, Florida Polytechnic University 
• Eric Goodman, UCOP - InCommon TAC Representative to CTAB 
• Mike Grady, Unicon
• Johnny Lasker, Internet2
• Kyle Lewis,  Research Data and Communication Technologies
• Jon Miner, University of Wisc - Madison (co-chair) 
• Andrew Scott, Internet2 
• Andy Morgan, Oregon State University
• Kevin Morooney, Internet2
• Albert Wu, Internet2  

 Regrets

• Matt Eisenberg, NIAID 
• Richard Frovarp,  North Dakota State
• Scott Green, Eastern Washington U 
• Meshna Koren, Elsevier 
• Rick Wagner, UCSD 
• Ann West, Internet2
• Emily Eisbruch, Independent, scribe

Discussion

• Internet2 Intellectual Property Reminder:  
  
  • https://internet2.edu/community/about-us/policies/internet2-intellectual-property-policy/
    
    

Federation Readiness

• • CTAB Workplan InCommon CTAB 2023 Work Plan,
    • see  item 4. Framing the next chapter of federation maturity
  • What are the use cases in which we would like to see greater maturity?
    • have that be the starting point for this work item
  • Work on definition of problems or needs rather than “solutions” 
    
  • CTAB should take the lead;
    • other groups, including InCommon TAC, may do some of the work
  • need to think about how will the progress be measured?
  • CTAB eventually may want to create charter for a working group on Federation Readiness
  • Good first step - mine previous documented work in
    https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/TI/Trust+and+Identity+Document+Repository+Index
    CIC “cookbook”
    https://wiki.refeds.org/display/FBP/Cloud+Services+Cookbook and likely other repositories (SWAMID)
    
  • “Prepare for 800-63-4” Federation Assurance Level (FAL) baseline (Tom B)
    
    • create a FALx baseline
  • New entities seek “check-list” of what they need to do
    • CTAB may want to pivot from compliance driven aspects for Baseline
    • there is a desire for an interface to promote home organization discovery 
    • perhaps provide levels of work in specific areas
      
  • “Where does general IAM maturity overlap InCommon style federation" maturity? (EG)
    
  • Articulate unstated assumptions (conventions) experienced practitioners make that remain unknown to newbies (AW, MG) - e.g., on R&S
  • CTAB should present a clear set of preferences, including around qualifying for R&S
    • Don't need to lock everything down, but provide suggested guidelines
  • How to scale up local trust to global infrastructure(?) (PA, TB)
    
  • There may be advantages to considering Trust separately from Interoperability
    • Trust is hard
    • Interoperability grammar can be specified 
  • When to use an MFA profile? When to use attributes, such as eduPerson?
  • (Andy’s summary) - Maybe InCommon should focus on eduPerson schema only, and stop encouraging vendors to participate for “convenience”.  More strict requirement to use our higher-ed standards
    
  • NEXT STEP: “Mural” white-board session at next CTAB meeting

Working Group updates

• • InCommon TAC
    
    • SAML2Int starting with “simplest” of 3 new entity categories (anonymous) to provide guidance; gnarly issue of single-valued home org conflicting with some institutional use cases
      
    • Detailed notes from IIW side meeting w/ MS:
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ogZcN1RFjrlu-CfCyNt2cCfhEk-Pc2JzczuG2GSBPG8/edit#heading=h.ri4z9wvft7od 
      
  • InCommon CACTI - no report
    
  • REFEDS MFA
    
    • Proposed update mostly complete. Expected to go out for comment “soon”
      
  • SIRTFI Exercise Working Group (Kyle)
    
    • Survey on what community would like for such training opportunitues going out 1 June
      
    • IAM Online ‘How to Sirtfi” presentation planned 19 July
      
  • REFEDS Assurance (Kyle)
    
    • (short presentation update to CTAB on RAF 2.0 is ready)
      
      
  • Community Exchange Highlights (Albert and Kevin)
    
    • https://internet2.edu/2023-internet2-community-exchange/
    • Focus was on the Futures planning for Internet2 and InCommon
    • The futures roadmaps are still seeking input
      
      
    • Kevin: the regional network orgs are interested in learning more about the eduroam Support Organization Program and are also expressing increased interest in understanding InCommon and how it can benefit their stakeholders.  
    • Much to be clarified and defined.
      
      
    • Minority Serving Cyber Infrastucture Consortium grant  https://internet2.edu/minority-serving-cyberinfrastructure-consortium-awarded-nearly-15-million-nsf-grant/
      
    • Serving the smaller colleges included in this consortium will be an important challenge for InCommon
      
      
  • Albert: IDP as a Service Pilot is starting

Next CTAB Call: Tuesday, May 30, 2023