CACTI Call of Tuesday, Oct 1, 2019
Attending
Members
- Chris Phillips, CANARIE (chair)
- Warren Anderson, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee /LIGO
- Tom Barton, University of Chicago
- Nathan Dors, U Washington
- Jill Gemmill, Clemson
- Karen Herrington, Virginia Tech
- Todd Higgins, Franklin & Marshall College
- Christos Kanellopoulos, GEANT
- Les LaCroix, Carleton College
- Matthew Economou, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI
Internet2
- Kevin Morooney
- Jessica Coltrin
- Emily Eisbruch
Regrets
- Marina Adomeit, GEANT
- Rob Carter, Duke
- Tom Jordan, University of Wisc - Madison regrets
- Ann West
- Steve Zoppi
- Nick Roy
Discussion
Pre-Read Materials
- Informational only, not mandatory pre-read: Shibboleth consortium analysis of sameSite issue (Phil Smart)
Community Engagement Activities in NET+
- Kevin has been VP of NET+ for about one year, this is in addition to his Trust and Identity portfolio
- There has been no equivalent to CACTI in NET+, and there has been a need for such an architectural oversight body,
- So these two have been spun up recently:
- BPLAC - Business Procurement Legal Advisory Committee was spun up about 1 month ago https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=154765376
- CSTAAC - Cloud Services Technology Architecture Advisory Committee - modeled after CACTI is starting up soon https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=154766601
- Good number of people have expressed an interest in response to call for nominations
- JillG is involved
- First F2F will be at TechEx
- CACTI and CSTAAC will likely want to meet together at some point in 2020
- Good number of people have expressed an interest in response to call for nominations
- BPLAC - Business Procurement Legal Advisory Committee was spun up about 1 month ago https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=154765376
InCommon Steering at 2019 Tech Ex
- Steering might have a F2F meeting at TechEx, Dean and Kevin are working on that.
- Might ask ChrisP to join for 15 minutes
Nick and Steve at OIDF Workshop/Internet Identity Workshop
- Put topics you want them to explore at either venue in this gdoc, along with your name
- OPENID foundation sent note thanking Apple for making adaptations to single sign on
eduGAIN Baseline call Sep 30, 2019
- In June 2019 edugain steering and REFEDs started to take steps to progress in the area of Baseline Expectations
- The Sept 30 call was well attended
- https://wiki.refeds.org/display/ASS/Baseline+Expectations
- Notes: https://wiki.refeds.org/display/ASS/2019-09-30+Baseline+Expectation+Meeting
- 39 participants from all over the world
- 5 federations outside InCommon reported doing some baseline expectations activities
- Discussion around what to advocate for at eduGAIN-*
- To get full value, need international scope
- Need more clarity on who owns the effort moving forward, edugain or REFEDs
- Is there one thing CACTI would want to push along?
- Warren: Up to date contact lists is a priority
- LIGO looks at what InCommon BE has done so far as a starting point
- MatthewE: works with federations outside of Europe and N America
- BE is important for discovery to work
- SIRTFI is important
- Who should be involved in this effort moving forward?
- Representation from InCommon CTAB is important
- TomB will reach out to FIM4R about this international BE work
- SP Operators, SPOG from REFEDs should be represented https://wiki.refeds.org/display/GROUPS/SPOG
- Representation from InCommon CTAB is important
- Concern: in bringing new entities into federation, could Baseline Expectations standards be a barrier to entry?
- Suggestion to use a graduated scale for adoption of Baseline
- Suggestion to use a graduated scale for adoption of Baseline
2020 CACTI Membership Process
- CACTI Charter http://doi.org/10.26869/TI.4.1
- RobC is re-nominating for another term awaiting feedback from Todd and TomB.
- What role(s) do the open slots represent that we need to fill? Are there other underrepresented areas on CACTI that we need to target?
- See Term ending info on the CACTI wiki :
- https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/x/qZGTBg
- Jessica plans to update the InCommon website with info on when CACTI member terms end
- Kevin reached out to FIM4R leadership to recruit for CACTI membership (after the CACTI call)
- Warren suggests to recruit more commercial or other 3rd party SP members to join CACTI
- Librarians also would have a relevant perspective
Continue prioritizing CACTI FIM4R recommendations
- Some CACTI members participated in an exercise ChrisP had suggested via email.
- Walking in the shoes of a service provider trying to find info on the website about how to integrated correctly with federation.
- Feedback on journey in the shoes of a Service Provider:
- Tried several browsers , searched “Join InCommon”, came up with right link in Chrome, came up with wrong link in Microsoft Edge
- “Attribute” is not the 1st term that SPs think about
- Typically at VA Tech:
- Somebody in a department has an application they want to use,
- they think about needing to get it working with sign in,
- then they connect w central IT.
- Then discussion on integration and attributes starts.
- Somebody in a department has an application they want to use,
- Tried several browsers , searched “Join InCommon”, came up with right link in Chrome, came up with wrong link in Microsoft Edge
- Discoverability becomes an issue
- Getting people over initial barriers to understanding is important, then the InCommon Trusted Access Platform resources work well
- terminology/nomenclature around attributes, service providers can be a barrier
- Matthew: still struggle with what to search for, still struggling w OIDC terminology , do search engine optimization,
- The word “access” may be good to use more often
- It is a struggle to find the right material on the web
- InCommon just redid its website https://incommon.org/ to make info more discoverable, but even so there are challenges.
Tech Ex 2019 not discussed on this call, save for next call
- Putting more meat on the bones of the OPEN CACTI meeting abstract for TechEx, Tues Dec 10, 2019, 12:10PM - 1:40PM
Next Call: Tuesday, October 15, 2019