Date:

October 23, 2013

Time:

12 Noon Eastern, 9AM Pacific, 5PM UK

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Agenda:
  1. Introductions
  2.  Review Charter Items:
    1.  Establish international interfederation agreements with eduGAIN and UK federation.
    2. Review documented trust practices and policies for entity registration and publishing.
    3.  Review and adopt the US-EU Code of Conduct concerning attribute release and privacy.
    4.  Review and assist in the implementation of metadata management/publication/aggregation/tagging improvements.
    5.  Establish practices and policies for domestic interfederation for regional, K-12, etc federations.
  3.  Logistics: mailing list, wiki, teleconferences, etc
  4.  AOB
Attending:

Warren Anderson, Steven Carmody, John Krienke, Tom Scavo, Ian Young, I.J Kim, Mark Scheible, Paul Caskey, Steve Olshansky, Scott Cantor

Recording:

https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0181033

Minutes:
  1. Introduction
    1. General introductions 
  2.  Review Charter Items:
    1.  Establish international interfederation agreements with eduGAIN and UK federation
      • John Krienke reports that he and Ken Klingenstein have introduced EU/EEA CoC to I2 primary council. 
        • Staff person for I2 primary council has been assigned to give feedback
      • Ian Young and Steven Carmody have started technical work 
        • Uses shibboleth metadata aggregator to export UK federation metadata from a couple of universities on an opt-in basis.
        • Steven notes there is another use case at Brown University who want to share information with U of Newcastle upon Tyne.
        • Ian reports on plans to go public with plans for production interfederation between UK federation and eduGain in a couple of days, which may change the nature of how this goes forward.
      • Steven Carmody asks John Krienke how to position UK project with respect to possible InCommon-eduGain-UK Federation interfederation seeming to be in the future, especially given I2/InCommon issues with agreements.
        • John notes that since the eduGain process is not an agreement and negotiation but more like a POP, it doesn't seem like a road block.
        • Also, eduGain is lightweight, so seems technically possible.
        • Given these, though, might lead to trust issues - what can we expect from metadata?
        • UK project, being a bilateral agreement, adds value on what we can expect in a trust framework.
    2. Review documented trust practices and policies for entity registration and publishing.
      • John characterizes this as defining "what really matters"
      • Tom notes that, in relation to UK Federation agreement, there needs to be documented trust practices in place.
        • First two charter items are related in this way.
      • Ian notes that it is a prerequisite for eduGain that you have a trust practices document, although it's unspecified what they should contain. 
        • UK and InCommon have a higher standard and have put more thought into it. 
        • This is another way in which the UK-InCommon can provide insight to bring forward with eduGain
        • John agrees and notes that InCommon has internal policies that have not been raised to that level, asks if formalizing them sooner rather than later is useful.
        • Ian raises example of domain registration practices as something that is often not considered and just assumed to be handled properly. Can't be handled as informally as it is within a single federation.
        • Ian thinks that there should be some identifiable items that have to be in a practices statement.
        • Steven asks if there are any other federations that would join InCommon and UK in such a process
        • Ian thinks Austrians and Swedes would be good partners for this. Has had such a conversation with Austrians, Swedes are always open to such considerations.
        • Steven asks if anyone has thought about how to encode this in machine readable code.
        • Ian has thought about it but doesn't think there is a solution available at present.
        • Since federations are not first-class entities, there is currently no place for such entity attributes to live.
        • Steven thinks this might be needed going forward.
        • Ian thinks this is a distant prospect, but first step is formalizing the items.
        • John asks if mdrpi is multivalued, so that we can express all the registration practices it complies with
        • Ian answers not at present but it is a path forward.
  3.  End of time 
    • Warren asks if weekly time is good - Ian says he may have conflict every other week. We will go forward with this for now, revisit schedule if it seems necessary.
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