CTAB Call June 11, 2024


 Attending

  • Warren Anderson, LIGO   
  • David Bantz, University of Alaska (chair)   
  • Gabor Eszes, Univ of Virginia (rep from CACTI)    
  • Richard Frovarp,  North Dakota State   
  • Mike Grady, Unicon   
  • Johnny Lasker, Internet2  
  • Kyle Lewis,  Research Data and Communication Technologies  
  • Ryan McDaniel, University of Alaska Anchorage  
  • Jon Miner, University of Wisc - Madison (vice chair)   
  • Emily Eisbruch, Independent, scribe   

Regrets

  • Pål Axelsson, SUNET 
  • Tom Barton, Internet2, ex-officio
  • Matt Eisenberg, NIAID 
  • Ercan Elibol, Florida Polytechnic University 
  • Scott Green, Eastern Washington University
  • Christopher Keith, Brown University
  • Rick Wagner, UCSD
  • Kathy Wright, Clemson, InCommon TAC rep to CTAB
  • Kevin Morooney, Internet2 
  • Ann West, Internet2
  • Albert Wu, Internet2 

  Note: Kevin, Ann, Albert, and Pål at TNC

Discussion

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Working Group Updates

  • InCommon Steering: exercise with SecondMuse using “miro board” white-borading tool
    • Focused on what kinds of actions are needed for each of the 5 areas of InCommon Futures activities
    • Communicating the value of InCommon
    • Guidance for Federated IAM
    • Broaden the community by incorporating teaching institutions
    • Getting the federal granting agencies better integrated with federated  access
    • Easing membership into InCommon 

What CTAB activities are needed to support InCommon Futures2?

      • Fundamental IAM guidance, baseline, clear expectations
      • BaseCAMP is helpful in educating the community
      • creating a service catalog could be helpful
      • challenge: a service catalog must be maintained
      • There are few cloud services in InCommon
      • Explain why InCommon is valuable, aside from single sign on at your campus
      • From the SP perspective, who can I allow to access my service?
      • Libraries and other services may be available federation wide
      • Menu of all that your users can have access to, if your entity has certain boxes checked, certain options would show
      • Show list of interoperable partners based on a box you check
      • How do I know what a SP wants in terms of metadata?
      • Publish from the customer, user standpoint
      • Gabor: Two different audiences
      • Audiences do not fully overlap
      • Don’t need all the high-quality metadata to make the case that joining a multilateral federation would be useful
      • Ryan: a barrier to realizing the value of federation : the info I get from the IDP is not sufficient to make authorization decisions
      • Not a lot of good solutions
      • COmanage provides a solution, but seems to be a heavy lift
      • Very few use cases where simply knowing you are faculty at x university is enough
      • K12
        • K12 is important pipeline of enrollment for colleges
        • How to engage them earlier?
        • Explosion of dual enrollment, high school students taking community college classes, etc.
        • There was the Quilt effort
        • Quilt Pilots wiki
        • North Carolina had an effort -  MCNC
        • But those efforts have not resulted in a significant change
        • Perhaps the results of K12 efforts need to be publicized more widely 
        • Unicon is involved in some efforts including 1EdTech
        • There is a 1EdTech project to define IDM standards for K12
        • David: There have been efforts in Alaska K12 school districts
        • There was enthusiastic reception for single sign on
        • Several Alaska school districts had resources that they wanted to make available to other schools
        • Shib in a box might make sense
        • Or an IDP could be run at the state level
        • In the end, the University would not invest resources in making that real
        • Ryan: the universities may be motivated to help K12, to encourage dual enrollment
        • How do we as IT help encourage the pipelines to our institutions?
        • Bilateral relationships may be more interesting for K12?
      • Eduroam support organizations may be using google for identity
      • A lot of momentum
      • Eduroam and InCommon federation have different value propositions
      • Richard: it will be hard to convince K12 if we struggle to convince colleges on InCommon Federation value
      • Multilateral could help with access to many libraries


  • CACTI
      • Last CACTI meeting was on 2024-May-22. See CTAB notes from 2024-May-28 for CACTI updates. Next CACTI meeting will be on 2024-07-17.
  • Eduroam Advisory Committee 
    •   Hope to invite Brett Beiber to join a future CTAB call
  • InCommon TAC
    •    Albert did a presentation on meeting with Tribal Colleges Consortium 
  • SIRTFI
      • Exercise Control Cell training exercise today after CTAB meeting
      • For TechEx, there are many submissions, SIRTFI presentation will be a 5 minute lightening talk, might do a short presentation at the CTAB session
      • might do a session at ACAMP
      •  Subject identifiers update guide? might be part of the generic update session

  • Assured Access Working Group v2
  • Draft charter submitted to CTAB leadership… can Kyle send call for participation or does that need to be reviewed first?
  • Subject Identifiers Working Group (chartered by InCommon TAC)


TechEx 2024 in Boston https://internet2.edu/2024-internet2-community-exchange/

  •  A Presentation proposal has been  submitted on Federation-Ready Expectations


Next CTAB Call: Tuesday, June 25, 2024

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