CTAB Tuesday Feb. 11, 2020


  • David Bantz, University of Alaska (chair)  
  • Mary Catherine Martinez, InnoSoft (vice chair) 
  • Rachana Ananthakrishnan, Globus, University of Chicago  
  • Tom Barton, University Chicago and Internet2, ex-officio  
  • Brad Christ, Eastern Washington University, InCommon Steering Representative to CTAB, ex-officio 
  • Ercan Elibol, Florida Polytechnic University  

  • Richard Frovarp,  North Dakota State  

  • Chris Hable, University of Michigan  
  • Chris Whalen, Research Data and Communication Technologies  
  • Jule Ziegler,  Leibniz Supercomputing Centre 
  • Albert  Wu, Internet2
  • Emily Eisbruch, Internet2  
  • Kevin Morooney, Internet2  


  • Pål Axelsson, SUNET
  • Brett Bieber, University of Nebraska Eric Goodman, UCOP - TAC Representative to CTAB 
  • Jon Miner, University of Wisc - Madison
  • John Pfeifer, University of Maryland  
  • Robert Zybeck, Portland Community College
  • Ann West, Internet2   

Action Items from Last Call  

    • AI - Chris W will conduct a doodle poll or other survey to find out what will work best for a 2020 CTAB F2F (DONE)
    • AI -  Albert work with a CTAB volunteers (Pal, perhaps DavidB and Brett and Jon) to create and present Global Summit lightning talk. Global  Summit is March 29-April 1, 2020 in Indianapolis, IN  


Finalize the invitation to community consultation for BE v2

  • Albert will handle adding links/references at end 

  • Questions about SSL Labs grading A or B

Suggested wording:
Popular security testing software such as the Qualys SSL Lab Server test 
[SSLLab] offers a convenient way to test your server against these criteria and identify weaknesses. If using the Qualys SSL Lab Server test, an overall rating of A or better is considered meeting the requirements of the InCommon Baseline Expectations

      • We want trustworthiness in the federation where all connected to the Federation is in harmony on what constitutes a secure posture
      • Counterbalancing force is the community’s desire that we make things easier to use
      • For baseline, what should the base standard be? 
      • Concern that requiring everyone to have an A grade could alienate some
      • Some orgs need to provide legacy browser support and that forces them to allow compatability mode. 
        • That results in grade of B in SSL grading.
      • There may be a way to declare yourself an exception if you can’t make the SSL Lab grade
        • we could require those who can’t achieve A to file a notice that they can only achieve B
      • Even with an A+ you are not eliminating all risk of attacks
      • It is about diligence over time
      • Chris Whalen notes that all systems at NIH must be A+ and he believes baseline expectations should require A grade
      • Mary Catherine’s organization, InnoSoft , requires A grade
      • Suggestion: set A as the bar
      • If during community consensus we learn that many can’t make A, then maybe reconsider. Also have an exception process. 
      • Kevin: We want InCommon Federation to be more trustworthy
      • Suggestion to require A or better and provide qualifications later 
      • DECISION: stick with requirement of Grade A

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  • Appendix A: Additional Expectations coming in 2021 and beyond
    • Include rationale for why we are not including the items for future (such as  REFEDS MFA) in this round of Baseline Expectations but saving them for future round 
    • Albert and David will add this wording


    • CTAB should have a communications plan around the Invitation to Participate document and community consensus process 
    • Reach out to Dean Woodbeck, Internet2 for development of communications plan.  
    • Suggestions:
      • Engage InCommon Steering in getting the community's attention
      • Suggestion: Invite 20 random IDPs and SPs to meet with CTAB to provide feedback
      • Suggestion: do targeted outreach to ask organizations to participate in the consensus process
      • A technique used for the InCommon Fee Increase conversation: there were 4 open office hours Zoom calls.
        There was fairly low participation in these open office hours Zoom calls.


Next CTAB  call: Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2020



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