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CACTI Call of Tuesday, Oct 1, 2019



  • Chris Phillips, CANARIE (chair) 
  • Warren Anderson, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee /LIGO 
  • Tom Barton, University of Chicago   
  • Nathan Dors, U Washington  
  • Jill Gemmill, Clemson  
  • Karen Herrington, Virginia Tech 
  • Todd Higgins, Franklin & Marshall College  
  • Christos Kanellopoulos, GEANT  
  • Les LaCroix, Carleton College 
  • Matthew Economou, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI 


  • Kevin Morooney  
  • Jessica Coltrin 
  • Emily Eisbruch  


  • Marina Adomeit, GEANT
  • Rob Carter, Duke  
  • Tom Jordan, University of Wisc - Madison   regrets
  • Ann West   
  • Steve Zoppi   
  • Nick Roy  


Pre-Read Materials

 Community Engagement Activities in NET+

    • Kevin has been VP of NET+ for about one year, this is in addition to his Trust and Identity portfolio
    • There has been no equivalent to CACTI in NET+, and there has been a need for such an architectural oversight body,
    • So these two have been spun up recently: 

InCommon Steering at 2019 Tech Ex

    • Steering might have a F2F meeting at TechEx, Dean and Kevin are working on that. 
    • Might ask ChrisP to join for 15 minutes

Nick and Steve at OIDF Workshop/Internet Identity Workshop

  • Put topics you want them to explore at either venue in this gdoc, along with your name
  • OPENID foundation sent note thanking Apple for making adaptations to single sign on 

eduGAIN Baseline call Sep 30, 2019

  • In June 2019 edugain steering and REFEDs started to take steps to progress in the area of Baseline Expectations
  • The Sept 30 call was well attended
  • Notes:
  • 39 participants from all over the world
  • 5 federations  outside InCommon reported doing some baseline expectations activities
  • Discussion around what to advocate for at eduGAIN-*
  • To get full value, need international scope
  • Need more clarity on who owns the effort moving forward, edugain or REFEDs
  • Is there one thing CACTI would want to push along? 
  • Warren: Up to date contact lists is a priority
  • LIGO looks at what InCommon BE has done so far as a starting point
  • MatthewE: works with federations outside of Europe and N America
  • BE is  important for discovery to work
  • SIRTFI is important
  • Who should be involved in this effort moving forward?
  • Concern: in bringing new entities into federation, could Baseline Expectations standards be a barrier to entry?
    • Suggestion to use a graduated scale for adoption of Baseline

2020 CACTI Membership Process 

      • CACTI Charter
      • RobC is re-nominating for another term awaiting feedback from Todd and TomB.
      • What role(s) do the open slots represent that we need to fill? Are there other underrepresented areas on CACTI that we need to target?
      • See Term ending info on the CACTI wiki : 
      • Kevin reached out to FIM4R leadership to recruit for CACTI membership (after the CACTI call)
      • Warren suggests to recruit more commercial or other 3rd party SP members to join  CACTI
      • Librarians also would have a relevant perspective

Continue prioritizing CACTI FIM4R recommendations 

  • Some CACTI members participated in an exercise ChrisP had suggested via email.
  • Walking in the shoes of a service provider trying to find info on the website about how to integrated correctly with federation.
  • Feedback on  journey in the shoes of a Service Provider:
    • Tried several browsers , searched “Join InCommon”, came up with right link  in Chrome, came up with wrong link in Microsoft Edge
    • “Attribute” is not the 1st term that SPs think about
    • Typically at VA Tech:
      • Somebody in a department has an application they want to use,
      •  they think about needing to get it working with sign in, 
      • then they connect w central IT. 
      • Then discussion on integration and attributes starts.
  • Discoverability becomes an issue
  • Getting people over initial barriers to understanding is important, then the InCommon Trusted Access Platform resources work well  
  • terminology/nomenclature  around attributes, service providers can be a barrier
  • Matthew: still struggle with  what to search for, still struggling w OIDC terminology , do search engine optimization, 
  • The word “access” may be good to use more often
  • It is a struggle to find the right material on the web
  • InCommon  just redid its website to make info more discoverable, but even so there are challenges.

Tech Ex 2019 not discussed on this call, save for next call

  • Putting more meat on the bones of the OPEN CACTI meeting abstract for TechEx, Tues Dec 10, 2019,  12:10PM - 1:40PM

Next Call: Tuesday, October 15, 2019

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