Attending 

Members

  • Rob Carter, Duke, (Chair) 
  • Licia Florio, GÉANT
  • Richard Frovarp (CTAB Representative to CACTI)
  • Michael Grady, Unicon
  • Kevin Hickey, Detroit Mercy 
  • Barry Johnson, Clemson University
  • Les LaCroix, Carleton College
  • Chris Phillips, CANARIE (Vice-Chair)
  • Steven Premeau, InCommon TAC Representative to CACTI
  • Erik Scott, RENCI

Internet2 

  • Nicole Roy
  • David Walker
  • Steve Zoppi

 Regrets

  • John Bradley
  • Marina Krenz

Action Items

  • Kevin H will send a link to the notes of the recent IdPaaS working group meeting to the CACTI mailing list.

Discussion

Announcements and Updates

    • The group is starting to collect use cases to evaluate strategies for linking systems.
    • As a CACTI sponsored working group, CACTI will review/approve the group’s products before they’re published.
  • Subject identifier adoption group update (Steven P)
    • Matthew Economou is charing this TAC working group, Steven was unable to attend last call
  • IdPaaS WG update (Kevin H)
    • The group met for first time and will continue to meet every two weeks.
    • Kevin H will send a link to the meeting notes to the CACTI mailing list.
  • The new CTAB (“Community Trust and Assurance Board”) liaison to CACTI is Richard Frovarp
    • Welcome, Richard!
    • We will need to designate a CACTI liaison to CTAB.

Update on the Global CEO Forum and R&E IAM

  • These are the CEOs of the global NRENs
  • The CEOs' focus is mostly on the network, although the majority of NRENs also do IAM
  • In last Thursday’s TAC call, this group came up in discussion of Fed 2.0 activities
    • Nicole: We don’t have a loud voice when talking with commercial IAM providers (e.g., Microsoft, Fisher, …)
    • David W: The Federation 2.0 recommendations are also about our ability to act globally in general. We’re good at talking and determining what needs to be done. We’re not so good at actually doing it globally.
    • Licia: We have an issue with IdP interoperation globally.

Elevator Speech for Global CEO Forum Members

  • Everyone has one-two minutes *tops* - you’re in an elevator
  • You can say something that hasn’t been said before
  • You can say “what she said” but you have to add an “and” and elaborate/add to it.
  • Everyone: Having heard that, If you had one-to-two minutes to talk to the Global CEO Forum about the value of IAM, what do you want them to hear?
    • Chris: Budgets are shrinking. Skill retention is difficult, There's a lack of time to address issues. We’re integrating existing solutions, rather than innovating. As everyone goes “all cloud,” our solution set is not “all cloud.”
    • Les: Campuses are struggling to address campus issues, and federation is struggling to pull these campus solutions together.
    • Kevin H: IAM is required for security. We need to make it interoperable and trusted globally.
    • Erik: We’re in a unique position to get this right. We need the right nudge to do this. The CEOs have done this for 40 years. We need it again.
    • Barry Johnson: This will make and keep money by making IAM and security more effective.
    • Steven P: Getting everyone to agree on common definitions helps, saving money, time, etc.
    • Mike: NRENs connect services; IAM connects people. Federation helps reduce the scope of data breaches; it enables collaboration.
    • Richard: If we don’t do it, we cede authority to commercial providers (held hostage). We can provide solutions better tailored to R&E
    • Rob: IAM is about community (as are NRENS); this is different from commercial providers catering to customers. IAM is the way we define our communities. Commercial providers don’t do that.
    • SteveZ: The idea that “commercial” is bad will go against many CIOs’ view. It’s easier to craft the R&E message (the community being more homogenous), but it’s hard to extract the commercial vendors’ (often imprecise / misleading) terminology in delivering that message.


Next Meeting: Tuesday, June 7, 2022

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