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Attending

Members

  • Chris Phillips, CANARIE   (chair)
  • Warren Anderson, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee /LIGO
  • Rob Carter, Duke 
  • Nathan Dors, U Washington,  
  • Jill Gemmill, Clemson 
  • Ann Harding, SWITCH/GEANT
  • Karen Herrington, Virginia Tech  
  • Tom Jordan, U Wisc - Madison  

Internet2 

  • Kevin Morooney 
  • Steve Zoppi   
  • Emily Eisbruch


Regrets

  • Les LaCroix, Carleton College     
  • Todd Higgins, Franklin & Marshall College   
  • Christos Kanellopoulos, GEANT  

  • Tom Barton, U Chicago   

  • Ann West, Internet2

Agenda

      • Keith Hazelton and David Bantz, MACE-Dir chairs, have been working on the Sunsetting MACE-Dir process.  There has been a process to define the requirements as we transition eduPerson to REFEDs. We hope to share with REFEDs Steering the requirements for the best curation of eduPerson. 
      • Please review proposed final eduPerson requirements document for discussion
      • Q: What about VO Person? 
      •  Answer: MACE-DIR/Internet2 has no purview over the VOPerson item. We suggest to the authors of VOPerson to bring it to REFEDs like we are doing with eduPerson  
      • Should have some feedback from REFEDs within a few weeks.
      • Chris will keep CACTI informed.


    • Open ID Foundation Research and Education Profile working group & footprint within T&I
      • https://github.com/daserzw/oidc-edu-wg/blob/master/charter.md
      • Feedback about participation and recommendations sought regarding participation
      • Recent vote brought to light the fact that the R&E community needs better representation in the OPENID Foundation.
      • Where do we foresee the OPENID foundation work continuing?
      • REFEDS OIDC RE list https://wiki.refeds.org/display/GROUPS/OIDCre 
      • Issues of cycles and capacity
      • Nathan raised on REFEDs OIDC RE list High level questions related to GEANT extension
      • Rob interested in the use cases, where will OPENID be used versus where SAML is being used?
      • If OIDC should be easier than SAML, then some things may fall out of the use case because in fact they’ll be harder under OIDC 
      • Important to understand primary use cases
      • CACTI can decide what it wants to do to support the needs
      • InCommon OAUTH/OIDC Working Group should not continue indefinitely https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/x/jJiTBg
      • Nathan and KenK  may have some discussions around consent work and connection to OPENID Connect
      • Common question: 
        • Should I be doing SAML in multilateral or just OPENID Connect?  Azure use cases raise this question. 
        • Also Okta raises this question https://www.okta.com/customers/
      • Some smaller campuses are adopting IAM products that don’t consume federation metadata. Those take the federation metadata and register many bilateral agreements. 
      • Multilateral federation is under threat
      • This is related to FIM4R work and the non-web  topic.
      • A new WG will be created in OPEN ID Foundation to address the needs.  The trust and identity community needs to define the effort.

 

    • Outreach and engaging research platforms  
      • Pacific Research Platform (Larry Smarr and CENIC) -  
        •  Conferences in Bozeman, Montana, Ken  attended 2017, Jill attended in 2018
        • greenfield, creating new capabilities https://prp.ucsd.edu/
        • Largely network focused, but eventually trust and identity issues will become important (who has access to the data assets? etc)
      • Eastern Research Platform - centered around existing capabilities  
      • National Research Platform
      • Explore how to expand our reach to benefit other areas such as Pacific Research Platform and other efforts. 
      • Minimizing firewalls to support research, getting barriers out of the way
      • Taking a local DMZ to a national scale
      • SteveZ, AnnW and Ken have had early conversations with Eastern? Research Network leaders
      • Some struggle to get trust and identity topic well represented in the conversations. 
      • CACTI members should be aware of / watch conversations on these research platforms. 

    • FIM4R  Recommendations Progress  
      • Hope to have available by TechEx in Oct for a way for community members to submit their own FIM4R response input.  
      • Would like a mini report card from people on how we are doing on certain areas
      • David Walker is coordinating a meeting with Chris, Karen, Jill to discuss FIM4R response.
      • Component architects call Wed. Sept. 5 will focus on FIM4R response.   



  • TechEx in Orlando: 2 CACTI calls meetings left before Orlando