AVCI
Thursday, June 17, 2010
9:00 AM
Participants: Walt Magnussen (Texas AM), Bob Dixon (OSU), Ben Fineman (Internet2), Terri Saarinen - scribe, Mike LaHaye (Internet2)
Charles Ganzhorn (CISCO), Brent Sweeny, Mike Hite (PSU), Karen Mulberry (Neustar), ??
Walt asked about Lauren and talked about PBS, folks at UTennessee, and work with congressional contacts to get a better stream. PBS has been very willing.
Karen joined and emailed her presentation in case technology fails. Walt talked about meeting and resolution with Brian Rosen. Karen talked about being in the policy/tech side, where Brian is imbedded in the tech side. Karen mentioned skyping with her grandkids.
Ben emailed slides to the list, and Karen will advance slides from her computer.
Slide 1. ITU E.164.1 - Country Codes for geographic areas, global services and Networks.
Nuestar is not owned by teleco or internet companies, mission is to provide third party services, like number portability, core is central registry operation that offers services to all. Karen is in External Affairs Dept, Sr. Director for Int'l Affairs and Policy. She manages E.164.1. In talking to Brian in what you are trying to offer, put together in terms of global network for deaf and hard of hearing.
Brian and Matt are working on NG911 initiative for the deaf and hard of hearing. This group is academic and teaching and researchers who talk to others. She still sees this as an applicable solution instead of having to dial multiple country codes. This is a unique resources, can set up dialing plans that you can manage your self.
Slide 2. Outline of her presentation (11 slides total)
Slide 3. E.164.1 Country Codes - What are they?
Fall into 881, 882, and 883, assigned or reserved for networks, global services and geo areas that serve two or more countries.
Slide 4. Country Code and length of associated ICs
CC881 ICs are 1 digit in length (for satellites)
CC882 ICs are 2 digits (large global transit networks)
CC883 (different ranges with different ID digits) - likely what you would want. You'd likely get the entire set, your dialing plan, your numbering plan and you administer
Slide 5. Applicable Services and Network Definitions
Global Services - usually toll free
Other global services – mobile or other large broadband networks
Networks - large global transit networks covering 2 or more countries, internal numbering plan to manage global network
Multi-use international networks - for operators who may not own their own network, a reseller or wholeseller, who wants to offer a global service. (something you may want to consider)
Walt talked about the make up of Internet2 network, private in the U.S, with peering arrangements elsewhere. 10 gig interconnects with peering to other countries. Sounds like 4th category would be most appropriate for us. Key is for you to demonstrate control over the network it would ride on.
Perhaps the Global category would be better? Karen said if you can demonstrate you have agreements and contracts in place. It has to be two or more countries, peering arrangements, but we don't operate their network.
Karen said likely either would be useful.
?? asked how this would work for voice?
Walt said if we use this dial plan for voice, this would be true, but dialing plans we have for voice already work. Walt talked about getting numbers and working with carrier to get to PSTN. PBX would take care of the interconnect.
Karen mentioned Voxbone out of Belgium, offering a global IP service out of their country code, globally assigning numbers. Launched last year and are doing well.
Walt said we may want to make a global roaming VOIP service available to Internet21 members as well. Karen said she has a list at the end of her presentation and can give some idea of what they're being used for.
Slide 6. Application Requirements Summary (general overview)
Must be a member of the ITU
Must provide tech details on network architecture
Must provide justification
Must comply with National regulatory requirements
Must provide dialing plan
Must provide contract details
May have to amend application if additional details are requested
Must affirm annually that resource is in use per the criteria in the application ** AN IMPORTANT Step that is often overlooked. ***
Walt asked Karen about sub-allocating blocks of numbers (GEANT, APAN, etc). Karen said with multiuse networks, there is allowance for sub-allocating - just need to have one primary responsible entity.
Slide 7 Specific Criteria for Assignment
Based on standards and satisfy a public interest
Affirm overall responsibility and control (put in by the Chinese)
?? asked if the sub, sub, sub relationships are public? Karen said no, confidential and not shared. She talked about Elipso in Spain offering services in the UK. Failed to explained exorbinate charges to use the service, lots of dialogue and agreement about misusing the resource. Need to notify of charges, hidden fees. No bait and switch or resource will be taken away.
Slide 8 Timeline
This slide explains the process once application is submitted and what happens if reviewers have questions or want additional information. Entire study group could be reviewed - what is publically available - to determine proper category. Group could deny if criteria doesn't fit - Karen explained how this led to the two new categories about five years ago. Process could take up to 12 months, or less than 6 weeks. Depends on the details you provide and the questions they may have.
Slide 9
Country Code 882 Assignments
Walt taked about 88246 - how many digits are behind it? Karen said up to 15 digits, so you can have up to ten additional digits. Walt said that could then be parsed into blocks. Karen said you could designate your numbers to be 12 digits – depends how you want to set it up and manage it.
Slide 10
Country Code 883 Assignments
(Aicent Inc, MediaLincc Ltd., Voxbon SA)
She said Skype applied, but dropped their applications because they decided they didn't want to provide additional detail.
She talked about Denver Associates - coupons, codes and other deals location specific.
Walt asked how they'd be ID to use three or four digit codes? Karen asked if you need millions of numbers (ten) or can you use something that only uses say (five) million numbers.
Cost associated - being a member of the ITU and the category you fall into.
Membership costs depends on the org you are and the type of membership you are. For Nuestar - about $25K per year. Can pay more, can pay less, there are arrangements for academic relationships. Is Educuase a member, maybe can use that? Or relationship with current teleco provider? Is CISCO a member? Yes they are - of all three branches of the ITU - Art Riley is heavily involved.
??Has CISCO applied for ITU number for it's telepresence? ??Said they don't want to be in that a game, would have been happy if providers had been more clueful. It was their intent for PSTN or what it morphs to to be richnet enabled. A matter of capability organization. Karen talked about recognizing it based on country code.
Charles asked about having a Nokia phone in one country vs. LG phone in another country?
Karen said it may not be the best solution, but it could accomplish what you need. ?? That's the problem with kluging and hard to get out.
Slide 11
Next Steps
Walt asked about drafting a letter and asking Karen to provide input. She offered to provide information to the study group for additional thought and guidance. She mentioned Richard Hill(s), formally of HP Europe.
Walt, in terms of membership, makes sense for Internet2 to be the member if we go that route? Ben said yes. Karen suggested talking to Richard or contacts at the State Department to find out how a US organization could become member of ITU. Government needs to approve this - no cost, but needs state department blessing.
Walt said Internet2 first met in 1996 - fourteen years ago.
Charles asked about SIP interconnect service? For connecting this into other networks and country code ranges, don't want it dumbed down to a voice call. Are folks doing more than just voice call interconnect? Karen said not much voice, primarily SMS and MMS interconnect.
Walt suggested talking to ATT and Verizon to see if they'd be willing. Karen said need to consider crossover to PSTN and traditional network - -gives more ubiquity in your offering.
Charles asked about video enabled 3G networks, a natural fit?
Walt explained, a corporation not on Internet2 who wants to get connected. If number and number of digit is advertizing, they could dial all the digits and get there. Yes. Walt assumes we would want a connection into the PSTN to avoid another island.
Mike wants this to be seamless and transparent without having a video island as Charles described.
Mike talked about assuming all cell phones being in a unique country code because they are a different device. Mike views this as a device type. Karen said in almost all countries - except for U.S. - numbers are assigned by device and service. In U.S, it's mixed. Karen doesn't know why other countries have a segmented numbering plan. Only port mobile-to-mobile and fixed-to-fixed.
Charles talked about rich media capability. Need to assume trunk dialing from is rich media enabled. Which is not true today. Media goes where signaling goes. The whole jumping thru hoops he talked about a couple of meetings ago.
Walt said we may need separate session to put together some call flow scenarios.
Karen said you would want those examples in the application you submit.
?? just joined the meeting from UK.
Charles commented about following the money.
Mike LaHaye said he is happy and comfortable with precedence.
Karen asked for additional question. She can have some material on SIP by X service sent to you. She is knows about the product, but doesn't talk.
Walt talked about voice services advisory council being the area where that can fit. Karen said Brian can also be asked.
Walt thanked Karen - good to speak to someone who understands this. She thinks this is a useful resource that should be used more frequently.
Walt asked Ben if there's anything else? Ben thanked Karen. Great meeting.
Walt asked for Richard Hills and state department contact info. TO DO: Karen.
Next meeting - IMS and General Wrap up and Next Steps from there. Ben added then decisions for going forward will need to be made.
Other comments? Should we plan a longer than hour or chance to meet at Joint Techs? Ben said it may be tough to get a formal meeting.
Who is going to JT - Mike, Ben, Bob, Brent, (Walt willing to get there...)
Ben and Walt to take this off line.
CISCO offered to provide dial-in.
End 9:59 AM.